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[be_themoon]

Apparently, when I have no school to do but yet need something to do - I do sort-of school anyways. In this case, research for a paper that might never get written, about the prevalence of children's stories in which at the end most/all of the protagonists either choose to leave or are forcibly kicked out of the fantasy land they have found. exhibit a, naturally, being Narnia. I even have a timeline now! For series, the date is the year of the first book's publishing.

1865 - Alice in Wonderland by Lewis Carroll. English, forcible eviction.
1900 - Wizard of Oz by L. Frank Baum. American, chooses to return home.
1904 - Peter Pan (the play) by J. M. Barrie. English, chooses to return home. (The book adaptation was published 1911.)
1950 - Chronicles of Narnia by C. S. Lewis. English, forcible eviction.
1965 - The Dark Is Rising by Susan Cooper. English, forcible eviction.

Anyone know of other children's literature, at any point in time, in which the children find a different world and have to leave it at the end?

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[lassiterfics.livejournal.com]

OMG WHAT ARTICLE IS THIS?? Goddamn, I should've gone into a comp lit program maybe! I hear they're gonna make a 2D animation Snow Queen movie, Betsy, how awesome would that be.

That paragraph is CERTAINLY FOOD FOR THOUGHT. *WILL NOT WRITE SNOW QUEENS CROSSOVER* That is fascinating that it shows Jadis to be the more impulsive, because I have always imagined her to be a vessel for the Deep Magic, as important as any force required in the ~*balance*~ of the world. Almost like she is an anthropomorphized force, almost. But no, here we have the Snow Queen being more like the impartial anthropomorfication. The snow queens persist in different ways. Hmm. It kind of seems like the Snow Queen would totally kick Jadis's ass.

Lewis is not without his "reason is bad if it goes against Jesus!" kind of slant. What is the redemptive force in Snow Queen? Love?

[be-themoon.livejournal.com]

I don't know if the PC return is really voluntary so much as Aslan tells them to and they agree? I do not think they would have really considered leaving otherwise, though perhaps they might have. hmm.

"No sex in Narnia? How Hans Christian Andersen's "Snow Queen" problematizes C. S. Lewis's The Chronicles of Narnia." I have the PDF if you are unable to find it through your databases. :D I actually just opened one of the databases, searched 'narnia', refined the search results to full text and in academic journals, and then started reading. (62 results! this is going to be FUN.) (holy crap, he just started talking about how if Aslan wasn't always referring to Susan and Lucy as children the romp scenes read almost like sex scenes, and huh, he's absolutely right. O.o)

it does seem like this Snow Queen would kick Jadis' ass! she is all rationality and cold figures, and I think Jadis is much more personally motivated. she has a lot of spite and hatred and anger wrapped up in her coldness - against Edmund, and Aslan, and the Pevensies, and going further back against her sister, and anyone who would deny her what she considers her rightful power.

it is indeed love, from what I gather! Gerda goes after him and kisses him back to his normal self and brings him home, apparently. :)

[lassiterfics.livejournal.com]

Yeah, it's kind of a choice that's not really a choice. OR IS IT? When is it really "time" for them to go? What justifies their departure?

No sex in Narnia?!?! hahaha FANDOM'LL SHOW THEM. What database is this in? JSTOR?

THE ROMP, MAN. Seriously! When I was rereading these books, I was like "wtf wasn't Bacchus like the god of DEBAUCHERY?? he has no place in Christian allegory!!"

Maybe Jadis should go under the Snow Queen's tutelage for a while. The Snow Queen can be like, "Your anger makes you weak." Like jedi training or whatever.

[be-themoon.livejournal.com]

exactly exactly! it reads like a choice, but it totally isn't.

heee! it's actually disproving the idea that there is no sex in Narnia. heee. I do not remember! uh, Gale online? But I have uploaded it for those who want to have a go at it: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=SJKOP8DJ

HAHA! this was about the romp in LWW, but seriously, the one in PC was kind of like a blindside to. (Bacchus? is he... is he talking about the same Bacchus I am? huhhh.)

haha! "You must learn to control yourself. Your emotions will be your undoing." Sometime they'll hook up with Nimueh, who tells Jadis "Things are what they are. You do not choose what the Magic decides."

[lassiterfics.livejournal.com]

Sweet, I will download that and read it later. I haven't read the LWW book in a while but maybe I will now haha, verify this ~sexuality~. And as for PC, I am not necessarily opposed to it ending in one big drunken orgy.

Sometime they'll hook up with Nimueh, who tells Jadis "Things are what they are. You do not choose what the Magic decides."
AND THEN THEY DUEL WITH LIGHT SABERS. Have you read Z's Narnia fic with the Force stuff in it? 'To the Heart' about Peter?

[be-themoon.livejournal.com]

I think perhaps once I read it? I cannot remember! where is this Force story? :DDDD

NATURALLY they duel with lightsabers. WITCHES TRANSCEND WORLDS. (sometime this needs to be written, all these witches, with their stories about the boys who escaped and sometimes killed them, and their amusement at the futility of such acts. they always return.

[lassiterfics.livejournal.com]

sometime this needs to be written, all these witches, with their stories about the boys who escaped and sometimes killed them, and their amusement at the futility of such acts. they always return.
THIS TOTALLY NEEDS TO BE WRITTEN.

Back when I was still in the process of falling in love with Z, this was one of the things that sealsed the deal. http://zempasuchil.livejournal.com/79383.html

[be-themoon.livejournal.com]

I knew I loved Z for a reason! (a multitude of reasons, actually.)

I knowww! I would write it but I have apocabigbang and school starting up and.

... BAD LASS.

"Magic certainly loves it's kings," Jadis says, and Nimueh nods.

"They're just figureheads," she says. "They too are used and tossed aside, sacrificed for other ends." The Snow Queen says nothing, adjusting a figure in the equation she is always revising, searching for infinity.

"Still, it is a comfort to know that they didn't last," Jadis says, her lips stained with wine.

"Rex quondam, rexque futurus," Nimueh says. "They will return."

"And so will we." Their lips curve in knowing smiles, and the Snow Queen turns and accepts the glass of wine Nimueh offers her.

"To time," she says, and drains it dry.

[zempasuchil.livejournal.com]

(COMMENTSTALKING YOU GUYS = MY EGO ASPLODE. YOU GUYS YOU MAKE MY DAY OMG <333333)

also I love your cold queens story idea! and their kings are mere boys, too! Nimueh's got a real grown-up king, the others are apparently reckoning with some other force, the hand behind the figurehead, whatever it is.

[lassiterfics.livejournal.com]

I WANT THESE MAGICAL QUEENS TAKING OVER THE WORLD. Killing lions and shit. Wearing their manes for war trophies! Doesn't Camelot have a lion on its shield? It's perfect.